The Armstrong – Fairbairn Link
Would like the Elwald line to become part of the Armstrong Clan
Please open the following if you can help;
By DeWitt Armstrong and Donald Fairburn. FromThe Milnholm Cross Newsletter, Summer 1991, Vol. III No.4. This was the newsletter of The Clan Armstrong Trust and is now called The Milnholm Cross and Trust Topics. The Clan Armstrong Trust helped start the Armstrong Clan Society. Also in The Armstrong Chronicles, August, 2005.
********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* New info; 1/29/2014 It should be noted;
The earliest record of the name in 1376 is Armystrand (army strand). Where strand means; In Webster’s;
In the Dictionary of the Scottish Language (DSL);
Army of the Ermydoune (army fort), Ermytage/Hermitage (army post), is likely the Elwald (Ellot/Elliot) of the foresta (groves), The army stranded along the Liddel Water is likely the Armystrand/Armstrang/Armstrong, and the army for the foot of Kerhopefoot, the Kerhope (valley of the Ker) is likely the Ker. These are the first armies with support of the Scots and Douglases, to defend Scotland. MSE 3/15/2104 Was finding Armstrong at Kerhopefoot, so changed the Kerr Tower to an Armstrong Tower. To the north still of Whitehaugh Tower on the Liddel Water is Mangerton Tower. The name for Alexandir Armystrand of Mangerton, in 1376 was the name Armystrand/army strand, because; they were the army stranded along the Liddel Water. MSE 1/29/2014
Christogram IHS –a monogram symbol of Jesus Christ in form of an acronym. This would symbolize, I feel a burial. R B Armstrong wrote extensively on the history of the Liddesdale region in the nineteenth century. It is felt that what is now called a Milnholm Cross is a sword, but previously to the sword it was a cross, as given in R B Armstrong’s book. For the Armstrong the cross had been turned into a sword, and for the Elwald (Elwand), the elwand (Scottish ell measuring stick), also had been turned into a sword, which gives misrepresentation of the original nature of the Armstrong, and Elwald. The Armstrong name-legend most widely known appears in many places, but the earliest version was written in 1754. Curiously, every other version contains the same elements and the same omissions. The story goes that in an ancient battle the King of the Scots was unhorsed. His armor bearer Fairbairn, with one arm, picked up the king and sat him upon Fairbairn’s own horse. The grateful king decreed that Fairbairn should thereafter be know as Armstrong, and gave him land along the Scottish Border. Want to thank my brother german (one who shares the same Y-DNA) Robert P. Elliott, for providing this information. It took a lot of research to be able to correlate a grouping of surname locations, with the grouping of the close Y-DNA, and recently am able to determine where the Y-DNA fingerprint was placed.
Given the grouping of names in the region of the Liddel/Leven Waters, and the closeness of our Y-DNA, what is referred to as THE DANIEL GROUPING definitely left a Y-DNA fingerprint in this region. Unmentioned in any version are details of the battle, the name of the king, and who won. Partly because the name Armstrong is recorded along the Border as early as 1223, a consensus among our clan historians inclines towards the Battle of the Standard in 1138, when David I lost to the English about 90 miles south of the Border. To us this seems reasonable, especially since the legend makes no claim that, owing to Fairbairn’s gallant rescue, the Scots were victorious. Had they won, would the legend have failed to say so? Another legend, however, has come down through centuries of Armstrong. It used to be immersed in a fog of fairy tales, closely matching Danish folklore, whose interest for our present purpose would be slight, except for the appearance within them of the Fairy Bear, which is to say the Fair Beorn. According to this ancient legend, the Armstrong progenitor was an Anglo-Danish Earl of York, Northumbria, Huntingdon, and Northampton named Siward. Earl Siward was a great warrior, sometimes called, ‘the Strong’, and he was a major figure in the final chapters of Anglo Saxon history just before the Norman Conquest in 1066. The College of Heralds says that Earl Siward’s father was an Earl in England named Beorn, and some scholars say that Siward was a nephew of Cnut (or Canute), King of England. It was Cnut, at any rate, who about 1033 made Siward the Earl of York. Siward then conquered Northumbria about 1042, to bring that kingdom for the first time under the English monarch, with Siward as its earl. On gaining the English throne, Edward the Confessor kept Siward in his earldoms, so that Siward remained one of the most powerful men in Britain. Then, up in Scotland, Macbeth killed King Duncan, who had married Earl Siward’s sister (or possibly his cousin ). Siward provided sanctuary for Malcolm, son of Duncan, and in 1054 led his army north, accompanied by Malcolm At Dunsinane, Earl Siward defeated Macbeth, whereupon Siward’s nephew (or cousin) became Malcolm III, of Scots. (Editor) This killing by Macbeth and mention of Siward’s victory is noted in Shakespeare’s play Macbeth. Let us now note some evidence incised in stone. From Shakespeare’s play Macbeth. Recall the witches’ prophecy “… until great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come..”, and we recall Siward’s troops advancing camouflaged with oak bows. Well, oak trees and bows appear on a number of ancient Armstrong coats of arms, some still visible on tombstones along the Scottish Border and in Northern Ireland. Also appearing on tombstones are swords of Danish Viking style. Moreover, the main feature of the most ancient Armstrong monument, the Milnholm Cross in Liddesdale, (dating from between 1250 and 1350), is a great two-handed, cross-hilt sword of the Viking sort. A similar sword is on the 1583 arms of the Armstrong clan chief, among the remains of Mangerton.
Northumbria under William the Conqueror but in 1076 was beheaded for rebellion. Siward’s elder son Osbeorn was killed in the battle at Dunsinane, but he left two sons of his own, Siward the Fair (or the White) and Siward the Red. About the latter we know only through family legend, but the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles and other contemporary sources call the former by the name of Siward Barn, and they tell of four events in his life. 1)In 1070, King Malcolm while ravaging Northumbria, found on ships at the mouth of the Wear River and a band of royal and noble Anglo-Saxons. They were Edward the Confessor’s heir Edgar Atheling, his mother and sisters, plus Siward Barn, Earl Marlswein, and ‘several other Englishmen of great rank and wealth’. Having failed in a Danish aided attempt to expel William the Conqueror, they hoped for refuge in Scotland. Malcolm assured them of safe residence there, and after his return soon married Atheling’s sister Margaret, whose profoundly civilizing effect upon Malcolm and Scotland led to her sainthood. 2)In 1071, another revolt against William the Conqueror occurred. Siward Barn brought a large body of troops deep into England, to Ely, and joined in rebellion with several noble kinsmen, including Hereward the Wake and the former earls Morcar and Edwin. Against them William the Conqueror personally led the counteroffensive, shattering the rebel force. Capturing Siward Barn and Morcar, he kept them alive, as captives, in Normandy for seventeen years. 3)When dying in 1087, King William the Conqueror released Morcar and Siward Barn. Morcar was re-imprisoned by the new king of England. Siward Barn managed to avoid capture and re-imprisonment. The final written record of Siward Barn is dated 1091, in Durham, near the Border and well east of Carlisle. It is a charter bearing signatures of King William Rufus, of royal officials, and of noble witnesses. The latter include several earls and Siward Barn. Historians think the charter may be a forgery made a few decades later. Even if it is, we see that a knowledgeable ecclesiastical forger of the early 1100s regarded Siward Barn as a Border region noble sufficiently worthy to list in exalted company. The language used between 1104 and 1108 by the Durham chronicler Simeion to report the 1087 release by the dying king is worth noting. Simeon wrote “he liberated. . . Siward surnamed Barn.. .”. The significance for us is that nine centuries ago scarcely anyone in Britain possessed a surname. Only in the 1100s did surnames begin to appear, and most people lacked them until the 1300s or 1400s. Spelling was picturesquely variable in the Middle Ages, and later, too. Bjorn, Biorn, Beorn, Barne, Barne, Burn, and Bairn could equally be used for the same person, even though in Denmark Bjorn meant ‘bear’ and in Scotland Bairn meant ‘child’. We could hardly be so foolish as to assert that no Fairbairn in Scotland by the 1500s, say, owed hissurname to the juvenile handsomeness of some forbearer. But we do believe that the Border landholder Thomas Fairbarne who sued in a North Tynedale court in 1279 derived his name from Earl Siward’s grandson Siward Barn. Further research into records of the region, we feel, may well turn up still earlier Fairbarns, however spelled Research by the Clan Armstrong Trust in Scotland has uncovered earlier instances of the sllnl’!h’tlt: Armstrohgin the early 1200s. Their locations, like Thomas Fairbarne’s, are all in the near vicinity of the Border as it then existed. In that era Scotland and England were still actively contending for possession of Northumberland and Cumberland. Even though the second Anglo-Norman king turned the Carlisle area into an English stronghold in 1092, that area was frequently held by Scottish monarchs thereafter. Penrith, located further south, was often a possession of the King of Scots as well. These are areas where the Armstrong were recorded in the 1200s. Exactly when the Armstrong settled in Liddesdale will probably never be known for sure. On that front line, records did not survive the incessant warfare. Some students think Liddesdale was Armstrong country during the 1200s and possibly during some of the 1100s. Just across a saddle in the Cheviot Hills from Liddesdale lay North Tynedale, where we know of one Fairbarne in 1279. So these two legends, of Armstrong descent from Siward through Siward Barn (or the Fair), and of Fairbairn renamed Armstrong by a rescued king, strike us as simply two sides of the same coin. To date, each new discovery has tended to reinforce this opinion, to support the ancient conviction that Armstrong and Fairburn (or Fairbairns) are the same stock. Short of the Pearly Gate we are not likely to know for sure, but let the search go on!
Editor Milton:There are, as you probably know, other theories as to our name origin.
Save Hermitage Castle’s Iconic Landscape
Mark Elliott 9/8/2013
Though I know there are a lot of writers out there that can do a better job of updating the Fairy Bear story, the following gives a small approach, by me in an update form in case anyone is interested.
Mark Elliott 10/21/2013
Migrating With the Fairy Bear;
Mark Elliott 11/13/2013
With the surname Elliott, Why I Am An Armstrong
Note; on the Redheugh shield there is an elwand (a wand an ell long), a length standardize in Edinburgh used in the measurement of land. The Elwand of the early sixteenth century were sometimes called Elwand, as symbolized on the shield, and indicative to their skill set as surveyors. On he Lariston shield is a stag’s head, evolve once for the name Elchwald (misspelled today as Eichwald in were it is easy to get and “I” mixed up with an “l”), meaning Elch (moose) or the wald (forest). Since moose were extinct like today in Scotland a stag’s head was used. It should be noted; the people of the marsh (Ker), like a moose is of the marsh still are known to use the moose head.
Though Maggie daughter of Arthur Eliott, and I are closely related, with both families of Horseliehill/Horseleyhill showing similar name usage. As you can see in the venn diagram, both families at the time of branching, hers to Stobs (stobs so named, because of the land being in trees, and line-of-sight or metes-and-bounds surveying was impracticable, therefore staking or stobs would be used as shown on the 1654 Bleau Map), and my family went to Ulster Plantation (Fermanagh) at the time of the Union of the Crowns.
Her family is of Redheugh, and my family is of Lariston/Goranberry. The ladies of Lariston had the curse of Helen Kid placed upon them so my family, with the help of sister-in-law to Gilbert, married to deceased, Robert, helped us relocate to the Ulster Plantation. My granddad Dan (Andrew) Ellot, who fought for Branxholm (Buck), became Daniel Ellot/Elliott in Ulster, and his grandson Daniel left Ulster, as Daniel Ellot, Episcopalian, of which the Hamilton were and what Buck (Buck the Duke of Buccleuch Estates, any time in history) is today, to settle in the American Plantation.
Granddad Andrew (Dan), was the grandfather of Dandie/Daniel of the Ulster Plantation, and the great-great grandfather of Daniel Ellot to Elliot in the American Plantation. He was also the older brother to Gavin of Stobs, who was the step father to Gilbert. Because of some problems, his son Robert Elwald/Ellot was adopted by his uncle Clement Crosar (Crozier) ca 1566, of Stobs, which Andrew father being hidden away in Baillillie, by the Scott family for killing a Douglas. Name Baillillie comes from baillie (like bailiff, but more like a commissioner). Many of my family were well educated by within the family tutors, and were bailles. Like Andrew the Kow/Cow (cowie based) baillee/comminsioner of Shelkirk, and Daniel of Fermanagh, older brother Robert was baille with title, to the John Hamilton family of Armagh, and likely died in the Irish Rebellion of 1642 (son Robert surveyed land). It should be noted that I suspect the first Cowie of Goranberry, because of the name Andrew the Kow/Cow, was Andrew’s father and Andrew (Dand) also who was hidden away up north by Buck, and came done to Goranberry to visit his younger brother Achibald (Arche) Kene (wise), and his son Clementis Hob (Clement Crosar’s (Crozier), nephew Robert Elwald/Ellot), and on these visits because he was a wanted man he stayed hidden away. In order not to disclosed who was doing all the work the close family just called him Cowie/Kowie.
Because the Crozier are a sept of the Armstrong Clan, and Clementis Hob ca 1566, was adopted by uncle Clement Crosar (Crozier), this is one thing which makes me of the Armstrong Clan.
My family tutored stepson Gilbert, and his oldest son William, of which the last name Eliott of the Redheugh family Eliott of Stobs is derived. The people of the Ulster Plantation, did not pass on the names Gilbert, or Walter, though I know Walter is an Elliot name in the United Kingdom. The Armstrong of Fermanagh, also did not seem to use these names. It should be noted that William Eliott who married a Douglas is a hero to my line, and the use of the name Archibald from Archibald Douglas was proudly used by the Ellot of the early Ulster Plantation.
It should be noted that in the Fairy Bear Story the Bear (Armstrong), and the Elch/Elg (moose) are friends but the Elch/Elg (Elwald-Ellot-Elliot), are not friends with the Lomane (wolf).
There is an aspect of people with the name Elliott which have origins from Wm de Aliot (France), and this concept is being propose by the Elliott Clan, as the only concept. It can be seen on the Elliot Clan Map, where the home of Martin Ellot, who was in-term chief of the Ellot Clan when no Robert, is placed in the north and not near the Hermitage Castle where his family was from.
The the Elliott Clan the Elch/Elg/Elk (moose), is extinct and does not exist, and therefore I do not exist to the Elliott Clan, and though branching from Horseleyhill of Maggie of the Redheugh line, once we left to America, where there Elch/Elg/Elk (moose), that is where you find the Elliott which contain my Y-DNA.
The Elchwald (Elwald-Ellot) liked the Fairy Bear (Armstrong);
But did not like the Loumaines (name pretty much has changed or is near extinction)/ wolfs;
There is a hunter, in the United Kingdom which would like to blast this moose head off, since I am extinct to the United Kingdom I wish him luck, though he has done an excellent job of searching and is getting things correct. Can not complete my research without the hunter. That hunter has taken the Wm de Aliot line into a high level of correction, where it is not being dominated by those of the United Kingdom with the name of Elliot, which altered the truth of my family off. For this hunter, I am thankful. The Border Elliot, when the spelled the name as Elliot in reference to before 1650, they were spelling it as the English were spelling it, and I kind of resented it, because the name for my family arriving in the America Plantation ca 1650 was altered to Elliot by English Puritan society there. By spelling the name Elliot for those Ellot of the sixteenth century, is like saying a pike of six ells is eighteen feet long, which makes an ell are yard long. My family arrived in America as Ulster Scots, with an ell longer than a yard, and the name Ellot not Elliot.
Mark Elliott 11/14/2013
Though north of where I have lived in the San Juan National Forest, of Colorado, USA. The have developed a plan for hunting the moose, because the black bear is friends with the moose, and they know better than introducing the wolf.
So the plan properly analysed is to hunt the moose to control it’s population.
IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT I HAVE FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE THERE ARE FRIENDLY BEAR ( in Navajo shush) IN THE SAN JUAN, NATIONAL FOREST OF SOUTHWEST COLORADO, USA.
Though mentioned there are American moose same as United Kingdom elk in the (had also seen American elk there. The first American elk my wife saw she called a big deer. Yes, they look like big deer), San Juan, and the best way for southwest Colorado, to control the moose (moose; etymology of eastern Algonquian, an indigenous American nation) is to have them hunted. To introduce the wolf, it would spread, because they pack up like they are ancestors to the dog, and kill livestock, would harm the rancher’s way of living. Have a neighbor of the Tanner family of Trading Post owners, said his grandfather put a trail down the grand canyon. At Desert View overlook in the Grand Canyon the trail which is visible is the Tanner Trail. A mutual friend who is Navajo said an older Tanner killed a bear, and he was referred to as bear; shush in Navajo, and the one who put the trail in may have been shush. The decedents of shush are shush yaz, or little bears. In hiking the San Juan, of Southwest Colorado, on the trail in front there was a shush yaz, which made me concerned with shush shima (mother bear). Unless one antagonizes shush shima, shush shima, can be kind. To figure out how to get beyond, shush yaz, without intimidating the unseen sush shima would be a trick. The American black bear unlike the polar bear is not known to be carnivorous, and are friends to the moose. Shush can not be dependent on controlling moose populations in the San Juan as well as the hunter which does not also go after livestock. Because in the San Juan the moose and the bear (shush) are friends. Still trying to figure out how to get by shush yaz without antagonizing shush shima. Did want to know where shush shima was at, so I started to grunt with increasing volume on following grunts. One has to at least try to communicate with the shush shima for ones own safety because she may want to protect her child. Shush shima was above me and above the trail with another shush yaz, which shush yaz usually come in pairs. Seem to be eating berries and was quite friendly, and looked at me as being no harm, seemly to wave me on. Guess the shush in the San Juan are friendly. by Mark Elliott 11/25/2013
With the Fairy Bear story of Fermanagh, Ulster the bear eats the moose, and some species are known to eat the moose. A polar bear being carnivorous, would eat a moose.
The bear, and the moose are extinct in Ireland. From this extinction the above the bear ate the elk/moose may have been concluded.
Do the descendants have the traits of the parents, mother or father?
If the mothers of a carnivorous, polar bear, are they carnivorous, also, and would they eat the moose.
Though I do not think the Irish bear eating the Irish moose made them extinct, but the Irish bear could have been easily a carnivorous meat eater.
It is felt that given only fossil, and species in Ireland in extinction, it may be concluded the bear ate the elk.
Error in interpreting species extinction are easily made.
Mark Elliott 11/24/2013
An Elwald-Mangerton Armstrong marriage eighteenth century, showing name Elwald found in Yorkshire records.
Mark Elliott 12/04/2013
The above seem to show that the Lomaine, Elwald, and Armstrong, seem to have the same mother, and likely the same father.
BEAR AND MOOSE TOGETHER AGAIN pdf;
Mark Elliott 12/20/2013
The sword and the cross;
One the Milnholm Cross there are letters IHS:
IHS on a cross, indicates that is a grave stone.
In 1376, Milnholm Valley, and the Milnholm Cross in accordance to the contours is in a valley, is listed. MSE 3/30/2014
To have the initials, on it of AA because there is not enough room for a full name, shows it is likely the grave stone for and Alexandir (Alexander), Armystrand (Armstrong) of Mangerton.
Though the genealogy has;
The sword is indicative as a Scottish highlander sword which is felt evolved from an ulfberht sword;
In reference to;
Searching text with; ulf
Ulfberht, though may have some attachment to wolf, in the manner of usage it is felt the the word is evolved into sword. So ulfberht means shiny sword. Other swords of the day because of the forging process, may not have been so lustrous, giving other swords a more wrought appearance. The ulfberht thought today doesn’t have it’s original luster at the time of creation, over the years, because of iron oxidation, of it’s outer exterior has taken this away.
The sword on the Milnholme Cross looks like a Norwegian Viking Sword.
Feel that the Armstrong are some of the early residents of the region, but they are mainly Norse-Scandinavian-Viking.
Should be noted that there was an early Gilbert Armstrong as part of St. Andrews previous to the University, at the time of Alexandir Armystrand of Mangerton.
Mark Elliott 2/3/2014
Ye nick a Armstrang, a Ellot bleeds, Ye nick a Ellot a Armstrang bleeds.
The above I do not interpret coming from the Armstrang and Ellot feuding, but coming from the Armstrang and the Ellot considering themselves as one family.
Lowell C. Armstrong now has a website people may be interested in;
Been working for years to get it in it's proper location. It is felt that Redheugh, which the clan chief is; faught on the side of the Buccleuch in a feud against the Gorrenberry and Braidley Ellot, and her husband being in support of wind farms, and part of the aristocracy of the UK which are willing to destroy the ancestral, historical, antiquities of the UK by putting wind farms anywhere and challenging the centuries old protection of the Buccleuch family of the Hermitage Caste, is not willing to relocate Braidley to its proper locality so a wind farm can be built on Hermitage Castle Hill. Mark Elliott 4/19/2014
Hermitage Action Group are a local community group who aim to successfully defeat an industrial-scale ‘Windy Edge Wind Farm’ application, adjacent to …
4/19/2014 If the Prince of Wales can stop a proposed wind 67 foot turbine outside his window in August, and the Scottish Border reivers, stop a defacing of the most iconic, historical ancestral antiquity that of an Infinis wind power turbine array, on Hermitage Castle Hill above the Hermitage Castle? MSE 4/28/2014
Been trying for years to get Braidley located by the Elliot Clan Society it’s proper location between Gorrenberry and The Hermitage Castle. Now that I am riding with the Armstrongs, and Buck (Buccleauch), it is felt I found the answer why the Elliot Clan Society is not willing to move Martin’s Braidley to it’s proper locality. Though the Elliot Clan say Braidley is in Treviotdale,
it is inLiddesdale, near Gorrenberry;
Martin’s Braidley is high (north) in Liddesdale on land from the Armstrong’s Whitehaugh Tower north to the Hermitage (Armytage) Castle. The reason The Elliot Clan Society does not want to support moving Braidley to the locality it should be located at because they support the propose INFINIS wind farm which will vandalize the Hermitage Castle.
Christopher Powell Wilkins is the husband to the clan chief.
As one can see he has an Redheugh, Newcastleton, Roxburghshire, plus a lot of connections to many a wind farm company.
One can see also that a lot of aristocracy a putting money, and may be more power from that money a head of land protection. It should be noted that the Buccleuch family has been providing and today in going up against the Infinis proposed wind farm on Hermitage Castle Hill are still providing protection for the Hermitage Castle and it’s surrounding, so people like myself who may want to visit Scotland their family homeland from across the sea will not have there homeland desecrated by electric power wind turbines.
Armstrong Faribairn Elwald/Ellot/Elliot distributions; gbnames.publicprofiler.org ARMSTRONG;
1881 DISTRIBUTIONS. NORTHUMBERLAND/NORTHUMBRIA MAP showing Armstrong “army stand” along Liddel Flu.
1881 DISTRIBUTIONS. Name distribution for Armstrong-Fairbairn Elwald/Ellot/Elliot seem to have a Northumberland/Northumbria distribution. MSE 5/8/2014 SURNAMES; LIDDEL, STEEL, AND BELL ORIGINATIONS. Liddel is from the Liddel Flu/Water/River, on the Scottish English border, but it is felt the name Little may have in some cases been derived from Liddel. Steel, though word is used in Liddesdale, have found it also in Tyndale on the English side, down near Hexam. Steel
as a surname is from;
The name Bell is from the region also. At first I thought the surname Bell, may have came from Archibald Douglas “Bell the Cat”, it now is felt the name came from a region or area referred to as The Belles;
Previous to Robert of Redheugh becoming infeft; a landholder; Buccleuch took stewardardship, of the Armstrong land of Mangerton; which Redheugh was part of. That is why the Armstrong were not there when Robert of Redheugh was infeft. William Elwald of Gorrenberry was there when Robert became infeft. Land north of Redheugh (of the forest a region called Schawis), and west of Hermitage (of the hill Lawis), the William of Gorrenberry family is my family, which became of Horsliehill.
Maggie daughter of Arthur Eliott, of Stobs and Redheugh, was of the Gilbert Ellot line. Gilbert was born of Redheugh, but ended up as stepson of Gavin of Baillee and Stobs, and his wife a Jean Scot.
It is said that Gilbert was married to a Scot. Jean Scot wife first of Robert of Redheugh then the second wife of Gavin of Stobs. There is a chance since Gilbert is not a Redheugh name, a name from the region I refer to as Schawis between the Hermitage and Redheugh, in a region of The Barony of Cavers, like Braidley of between Gorrenberry and Hermitage Castle, that he may be the biological son of Gavin of Stobs.
Gilbert being not of the first child of Redheugh, and much lower in the line would not have been next in line to be the clan chief. It is felt that being strongly tied to the Buccleuch, line which was starting about the same time that Buccleuch and the Gilbert line had it’s start. With Gilbert not being of the first son of Redheugh, he need some tutoring. The Gorrenberry/Horsleyhill line was well tutored among the family, and many became Baillees of Shelkirk, so they are recorded in giving tutoring to Gilbert and his oldest William.
Gilbert rode with the Buccleuch Scots during what is known as the Ellot/Scot fued towards the end of the seventeenth century, and my family of Gorrenberry rode with Martin Ellot of Braidley next to Gorrenberry. To the Ulster Plantation Ellot and Armstrong would not utilize the names Gilbert or Walter.
The resettled Ellot of Ulster are not of gentry, like the Gilbert line, more like the notorious thief of Liddesdale; Clementis Hob, or likely the Cowie of Gorrenberry. We were not exactly liked by the Gilbert line. It is unlikely that the Gilbert line would use the names Martin and Andrew. This may be why the Gilbert line does not locate Braidley of Martin Ellot, between Goranberry, and the Hermitage Castle, and the Gilbert line also does not seem to recognize the people of Gorrenberry.
It should be noted that Gilbert line which is now of the chief line of the Elliot Clan. The Armstrong Clan has no chief. This is felt because of a difference in Norman and Scandinavian characteristics. One philosophy, is one of expertise, or a given strata level within a social structure, the other is a pitch in philosophy where the collective would end up with the best response. One is more gentry the other more reiver. It is up to the reader to figure out which is which.
For a reiver society with individual self directives to exist, it seem that the reiver when need will utilize individuals to deal with a stratified society such as a corporate society which is trying to intrude with wind farms, so the reivers are dependent on land stewardship, it may also be an example of governments securing land for particular groups. If this stewardship is secure then the reivers will support the one securing the land, which they share.
The Hermitage Castle Hill Infinis wind farm will affect the economy of Newcastleton and Hawick. Hawick more than those of The Hermitage Action Group seem to make their voices heard as being opposed to the Hermitage Hill Wind Farm (no manner what Infinis calls it).
Economically, Hawick is more dependent on not having wind mills on Hemitage Hill then any other community, and any money they may receive from Infinis is a payoff.
It should be noted that across the Scottish Boarder it seems that the Kerr, Scott, Hume, Rutherford, and Armstrong are beginning to work together to get this Hermitage Castle Hill wind farm stopped, and want to thank them in protecting a historical antiquity on the border, which is the symbolic homeland of the ancestral homeland of there ancestors which in some cases were resettled throughout the world.
To put a wind farm on Hermitage Castle Hill, would be telling these resettled boarder descendants they are no longer welcome in their Scottish homeland. These people are of great numbers throughout the world.