Ker Kerr Carr migration;

Family Tree DNA 的创始人贝内特·格林斯潘 (Bennett Greenspan) 在年轻时就对家谱学产生了浓厚的兴趣。对他的家族史来说更重要的是他从这些年长的亲戚那里获得的信息。家族史中最重要的是年长近亲的家族史。他们的 DNA 可以被采集和存储,但如果不像我父亲那样记录下来,他们的历史可能会丢失。

 

 

Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch

Capt John Allen Jr.

Capt. John Allen, Jr., son of John Allen “the dyer” and his first wife Rebecca, bapt. Jan. 7, 1615/6 at St. Martin at Palace parish church in Norwich, England. Capt. Allen followed his 10-year older brother Rev. Thomas Allen (bapt. Aug. 26, 1608) to Charlestown, Mass. by 1640. It is uncertain whether Capt. Allen m. his wife Sarah before crossing the Atlantic Ocean or after he arrived in Charlestown.

Briefly digressing, Capt. Allen’s brother, Rev. Thomas Allen of Norwich, England and Charlestown, Mass., was associate pastor of the Charlestown Church under Rev. Zachariah Symms. He m. 1) circa 1639 in Charlestown, Anna Sadler, widow of Rev. John Harvard, the namesake of Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass. and settled Harvard’s estate, which included the bequest that Rev. Harvard’s personal library be given to the then fledgling Harvard College.

Capt John Allen Jr. (1616-1675) – Find a Grave Memorial

Daniel Elliot, likely came back on the ship Rev. Thomas Allen traveled to London on.

Daniel Elliot

On Aug 4, 1682 Boston deed; Daniel Elliot Sr, father of Daniel Elliot Jr of the Salem Testimony,

Alexander sailed to America aboard the Liberty, a ship commanded by Captain John Allen. The liberty landed in Boston. Alexander paid for his passage with a six year bound labor contract with John Cloyes, also called indentured servitude.

Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch

 

 

Namensverbreitungskarte – Verein für Computergenealogie (genealogy.net)

House of Kerr, Ker, Carr, Carre, Cares

Border Archaeology Cessford

Kjær,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kj%C3%A6r

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carr_(landform)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fens

https://www.google.com/maps/place/3294+Kj%C3%A6r,+Norway/@58.977794,9.9533427,15.5z/

added 6/3/2019 MSE match to Carr/Kerr

Muirhall Hermitage Castle wind farm

 

The Ker/Kerr/Carr, are beginning to respond, but for the good old days, of the Hermitage Castle when the Ker, Scot, Douglas, Elwald, Crosar, and Armstrong rode together need to get the Ker on board. Do not know whether it is the feud with the Scot, or their Norman as oppposed to Scandinavian influence, need to get these Ker out in force.

First of all about a third of the Ker are left-handed, and this is what left-handed means in German;

localties of left handers

Germany seems to be low in the number of left-handed people.

Kerr tartan

Marsh dwellers, well the US moose/UK elk are marsh dwellers;

crest

The name Ker; seems to come from “marsh dweller”. The visually oriented Ker place, a “marsh dwelling elk” what Americans call a “moose”  top their arms.  The Elwald of Elch(elk) wald, showing similar Y-DNA are likely of the same group of people split where the “marsh dwelling elk” are returning (around Berlin) to today. The Ker, went north to Norway, then down to Normany, and the Elkwald (Elchwald) went to Anglia. This would be consider a family split (Danes) which returned together in Liddesdale. These families of Lancashire seeded not necessarily their Y-DNA, but  their surnames, which were likely adopted by the people without surnames in the Liddesdale and surrounding regions in Scotland.  MSE  11/21/2015

elg-elk-moose Kerr

European moose

Observe the coverage area of the European elk (moose).

The European elk (moose) looks more like what the Ker have on top of their crest than the American moose (UK elk).

Came to the conclusion that it is an European elk (moose) which originally was at the top of the crest for the Ker then it became a deer stag, because there were not any more European elk in the region. The name Elgwald (Elkwald) from lower Denmark, became Elfwald for the same reason.

Crest Shield Coat Ellot Ker

thenormans Ker migration

https://nvk.entless.org/mapbox/1890:kj%C3%A4r,1890:kjer,1890:kjaer https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63 https://images.theconversation.com/files/75269/original/image-20150318-2502-hwp2kw.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip

above to with graphic added 7/19/2019 MSE

Above shows basic migration pattern for the Ker.

It should be noted, where the split takes place is approximate region where the marsh dwelling (Ker), elk (Elwald) are returning to on their ancient trails. Killing a marsh dwelling elk, is like borderers chasing down a cow. Both would feed a family of a peel tower.

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localties of left handers Ker

Kerr Elwald migration

Y-DNA name distances Daniel modal

Information provided by Robert P. Elliott, in which it shows the Daniel Elliott modal, being as close to the Kerrs as the Eliot.

ker-uk

 Kerr name distribution of Norman migration

Above is felt to be the basic Ker migration from the south.

Kerr surname distribution Scotland 1891

Kerr surname distribution England 1891

The above indicates a strong Lancashire, border, and north border localities which you would expect for the Kerr.

Carr surname distribution Scotland 1891

Carr surname distribution England 1891

When the 1891 Carr are added it gives a strong Northumbrian locality the same as the Elwald and today’s Elliot would have.

  Elliot dist 1891 (2)

Elliot dist 1891 (1)

Elliot distribution Northumbria

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Mark Elliott                                      1/20/2014

Carr

Given the above distribution it is found the Carr are found in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, with the Elwald during the later part of the sixteenth century.

Cottingham Elwald Carr

Note the name Ellot is also being used in the region of East Riding Yorkshire, where the two names are also being used in conjunction in the Liddesdale region of Scotland.

A Carre gave a history of the Elliot, and it is felt it is my turn to respond;

The Elliot Family Carre

Arthur Eliott calls it a baton, and Walter Carr calls it a batten.

Redheugh and Stobs shields crests

It is an elwand like the Elwald/Elwand previous to what the Ellot were called.

A Scottish elwand is a unit of measurement standardized in Edinburgh, longer than the English yard, but shorter than the French metre.

The Scottish elwand is a wand (in English; rod), a Scottish ell (an ell is a biblical measurement which many christian countries had their own ell which were of various lengths) in length.

The Elwald/Elwand came up north through Northumbria, this could be much like the Carr did as opposed to the Kerr, then went to Northern Northumbria which became Scotland. The Elwald being in Northern Northumbria at the time it became Scotland, then became at the time they the northern Elwald became Scottish.

Arbirlot (meaning arbor lot) is another word for arboretum or orchard, that is were the name Arbirlot came from.

There is a Carr Hall south of where is found a Robert Elwald of 1305.

 Barton, Rimington, Carr Hall, Lancashire Co, UK

But looking at the Carr distribution pattern;

Carr surname distribution blue

And given;

Carr

It has a distribution pattern of a clan being resettled at the time of THE UNION OF THE CROWNS.

DOING MIGRATION PATTERNS ON THE CARR IS MY RESPONSE TO A CARRE DOING HISTORY ON THE ELLIOTT.

Mark Elliott    1/21/2014

Named Public Profiler

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ker-uk

Cessford was not killed by Gilbert of Stobs;

Though Walter Scot seems to say Cessford is kill by Gilbert  of Stobs, Stobs did not exist at time, it is felt Walter Scot may have stated this to get the Stobs line to ally themselves with Buccleuch.

dark-elliot-elliot-of-stobs-sir-walter

Arthur Eliott of Stobs/Redheugh father of present Elliot Can chief Margaret Eliott feels it is an James Ellot.

black-ellot

At the time of Cessford’s death the Ellot/Elliot family was using the name Elwald. Robert Bruce Armstrong in History of Liddesdale, feel it is an James Elwald.

james-elwald-killed-cessford

10/23/2016 MSE

ker-kerr-roxburgh-cessford

Michael Andrew Foster Jude Kerr, 13th Marquess of Lothian, Ferniehirst Kerr Chief
Guy David Innes-Ker, 10th Duke of Roxburghe, of Cessford Ker

It should be noted that Ferniehirst, Cessford, and Roxburgh are not located in the region of the Kerr today. Though it is felt this region is likely the area the Ker/Kerr migrated from. Thanks to the Duke of Roxburghe allowing archaeologist on Roxburgh, and answer may be given in the following;

 

Time Team S11-E12 Roxburgh,.Scotland

One reason is the a major urban area of Roxburgh on the Tweed, was cut off from access to the sea, when the Scottish border was placed and died off from lack of trade.

MSE 12/8/2016

10/23/2018 MSE

By Robert P. Elliott;

From FTDNA Germany 5/28/2019 MSE
JOHANNES WEYERS @mark !! We do not always have to prove the origin of the word “the” or ” German ” . Their are lots of origins of documents that are often conflicting . We all try to scratch and find those of value and in the process too often even prove ourselves wrong . Like Mark Elliott
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Mark Elliott response;
JOHANNES WEYERS In order for Elwald to be of the Fairbiarn I-M253 (Fair Bear) story in the genealogy of the children of the bear, ‘wolf’, and ‘elk’, the ‘elk’ can not be a big deer. It has to be a ‘moose’, what the English and German call an ‘elk’. Because Elwald is derived from ‘moose of the forest’. Since the ‘american elk’ is only in the forest, the name created a branch, family. The ‘moose’ in English and German ‘elk’, has a branch family in the genealogy of the family tree. It is the ‘moose/elk’ of the thickets and marsh. Never have seen an ‘American elk’ in the marshes-thicket, but have seen an ‘English-German elk’ in the marshes-thicket.
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Y-DNA by Robert P. Elliott, of our Daniel Elliot, of Salem cluster shows the Ker(r) to be a in the group of the closest matches by surname. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2210825?dpr=2&fit=max&h=324&w=590
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Clan Kerr /kɜːr/ ( About this sound listen) is a Scottish clan whose origins lie in the Scottish … The name stems from the Old Norse kjarr which means marsh dweller, and came to Scotland from Normandy, the French settlement of the … (note; the People of British Isles PoBI autosomal DNA study excluding surnames groups, the Anglo-Saxon, of the ‘elk of the forest’ DNA, with the Norman DNA, of the ‘elk of the marsh’, are in the same DNA grouping.)
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The Ker(Cessford, Duke of Roxborghe of Floors Castle near Kelso, Scotland), Kerr(Ferniehirst, Chief of Clan Kerr a Tory, Lady Buccleuch), and Carr(adult accuser in the Salem Witch trials). Carr, a lady in this blog brought to my attention, her awards for the DAR Daughters of the American Revolution, and reminded me the pride my family that they took place in “stringing up those Tories”, especially when they laugh at “transporting the Scots as slaves to The Colonies”. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 It was my family being transported, for being Royalists, like the Loyalists to the crown, but ninety years earlier.
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For me to get the language of my genealogy correct for my particular family is very important, but in order to do proper genealogy you better get it correct for your own family. The only family I basically have to utilize as a model for other families is my own. It is the mechanics which I am trying to teach. Like, the one who has done the genealogy and carries the Y-DNA, is most likely 100% in being correct. Listen to the ladies, ‘the Carr with the DAR awards’, do not kick out the ‘in-laws’, allow for ‘freedom of speech’, something I feel “The Americans”, need to learn from “The Europeans”, because they “The Europeans”, are beating “The Americans”, at their own game. Of course there are in America people from Europe including the UK.
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5/28/2019 MSE
One comment on “Ker Kerr Carr migration;
  1. Delaney Kerr says:

    Looking for a connrection between a charlie bennett kerr and europe

    Delaney kerr
    Cooke county texas.
    Dye community 1902

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